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« on: October 08, 2010, 12:59:39 PM »
Sorry - another question (or two)

If the carbohydrate content of a sauce or dish is on the high side (say 7 or so) can adding a fiber supplement reduce the overall carbohydrate count?

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I just bought a package of kelp noodles which I haven't tried yet and wanted to know if anyone has tried them? If they're bad please stop me!  :D  I was going to try to make a quasi Pad Thai kind of thing with albacore, a mix of julienne vegetables and ginger. The entire 12 ounce package has 18 calories, 3 gm carb and 3 gm fiber, recommended serving is 1/3 packet.
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 07:29:39 PM »
I like the kelp noodles if there the ones I' thinking about..... kind of an emerald green color, angel hair size? Anyway, there's a belief system each way with the added fiber. My position is if it's not a natural fiber within the food you're eating then off setting it with additional fiber doesn't count.
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 10:46:25 AM »
Fiber supplements don't count.But your kelp if its 3 gram carb and 3 gram fiber its a 0 carb.

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Re: Fiber
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 10:59:58 AM »
Thanks for your replies. Yes, it's a brand called Sea Tangle kelp noodles. Umpa do you know how much soy is actually in the House Foods Shirataki noodles? I was comparing them with Miracle Noodles, which has no soy at all. Have you or anyone else tried the Miracle Noodles? They look to be interchangeable from the web sites. I appreciate any direction as I'm kind of stuck.
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 02:00:09 PM »
The only noodles I've had are miracle noodles and my family loves them!

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Re: Fiber
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 09:34:31 AM »
I have miracle noodles in my fridge.When doug was recently in San Fransciso on his book tour he went to alot of chinese grocery stores and they had all the yam root noodles you wanted dirt  ;)cheap.They have alot of low carb products.

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Re: Fiber
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 01:17:14 AM »
Excellent. Thank you both for your replies. I'll order some Miracle Noodles and try those next time around.
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 08:37:15 AM »
Caligirl I know you watch your soy intake due to past medical advice but I've read several conflicting reports about current studies relating to soy and cancer. I thought this report would interest you;

Soy Beneficial for Breast Cancer Survivors: Study
Surprising finding shows it reduces risk of death, recurrence
By Serena Gordon HealthDay Reporter, US News and World Reports Wednesday, December 9, 2009

TUESDAY, Dec. 8 (HealthDay News) -- Regular, moderate consumption of soy foods can help lower the risk of death and cancer recurrence in women who've had breast cancer, new research shows.
Click here to find out more!

What's more, the association between soy and a reduced risk of death held true even for women with estrogen receptor-positive cancers and women taking tamoxifen, according to the study published in the Dec. 9 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

"We found that women with a history of breast cancer who consumed moderate amounts of soy food were doing better in terms of prognosis. They had reduced mortality and reduced recurrence," said study author Dr. Xiao Ou Shu, a professor of medicine and a cancer epidemiologist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn.

There has been some concern that soy might increase the risk of breast cancer or worsen the prognosis for women already diagnosed with the disease because soy is what's known as a phytoestrogen. That means that it can act like a weak form of estrogen in the body.

However, it appears those concerns may have been unfounded because Shu and her colleagues found that soy actually reduces the availability of naturally occurring estrogen by binding to its receptors.

"In our study, we found that soy food has a very similar effect to tamoxifen," said Shu. Tamoxifen is a drug that blocks the action of estrogen in the body, which can be helpful for treating cancers that are fueled by estrogen.

Shu's study included just over 5,000 Chinese women who had been previously diagnosed with breast cancer between 2002 and 2006. The women were aged 20 to 75, with the majority of women between 40 and 60 at the time of diagnosis.

The researchers collected information on cancer diagnosis and treatment, lifestyle factors (including diet) and disease progression at six months after diagnosis, and then again at 18, 36 and 60 months after diagnosis.

Women who had the highest intake of soy had a 29 percent reduced risk of death and a 32 percent decrease in the risk of cancer recurrence compared to those who ate less than 5.3 grams of soy per day.

"There was a linear response, and we found the higher the intake, the lower the mortality, up to 11 grams of soy protein," Shu said, adding that after 11 grams daily the benefit leveled off, but didn't decline.

Eleven grams of soy translates to about one-fourth of a cup of tofu each day, she said.

Both Shu, and Dr. Gina Villani, chief of hematology/oncology at The Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York City, said it's important to note that Chinese women tend to get their soy from natural sources, such as tofu, edamame or unsweetened soy milk, instead of the processed types of soy foods that many Americans eat, such as sweetened, flavored soy milk or soy-based protein bars.

"The take-home lesson is that whole foods are what we need to eat more of," said Villani. "Try to stay away from the processed stuff. Don't bulk up on soy milk or soy candy bars."

Shu also pointed out that Chinese women may be replacing unhealthier food choices, such as red meat, with soy. In an accompanying editorial in the same issue of the journal, experts from the U.S. National Cancer Institute noted that the average daily soy intake for people living in China makes up 10 percent or more of their daily protein intake.

Both Shu and Villani advise against loading up on soy supplements, as these haven't been proven to be beneficial, and Villani said it's unclear if such high levels of soy could cause harm.

And, Villani added, "supplements don't replace food. We haven't even begun to understand the interactions between nutrients in food and the body. Soy as a bean may react different than soy from a candy bar in the body."

"Soy food intake has been shown to reduce the risk of breast cancer, and it may have cardiovascular benefit, so overall, whether or not you have cancer, soy could be very beneficial to you and could become an important component of a healthy diet," Shu said. "But try to get it in natural sources, not from processed food."
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 09:49:29 AM »
so r y'all saying instead of using shirataka noodles for spaghetti that i could  use miracle noodles



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Re: Fiber
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2010, 10:09:01 AM »
Instead of spaghetti you can use the shirataki noodles or Miracle Noodles, whichever you prefer or whichever you can find.



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Re: Fiber
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2010, 01:34:27 AM »
Thanks Doug! Interesting article and very kind of you to share it. I may email Dr. Shu for further information (read as bombard with questions :D). I will share with you what I find.

As you surely know, once a person has faced their own potential early demise, whether cancer, heart disease, even by accidental means, most individuals will become extremely cautious and want to make the wisest choices possible. I'll make this as brief as I can, as I could fill up this forum with information  :D

I became even more cautions after speaking with the nutrition department of one of three very well-known weight loss programs offering pre-packaged meals. This one basically refused to sell to me because of the soy content in their food. The other two suggested I contact my doctor. This alarmed me.

Since bodyfat produces a form of estrogen as well, Reducing self-production of estrogen through loss of body fat is key. We get too many things working against us; body fat, overuse of soy in processed foods. The body cannot distinguish a phytoestrogen from a natural estrogen. (BTW - pesticide and hormone/antibiotic residues on vegetables and in our meat supply are also read as phytoestrogens)

Key to the article - get your nutrition from natural food sources - eat things as close to their natural grown state as possible.
Thanks again for sharing it!
« Last Edit: October 14, 2010, 01:40:59 AM by CaliGirl »
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2010, 09:44:07 AM »
Cali girl i started a contest to get you more recipes.I hope it helps! ;)

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Re: Fiber
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2010, 06:00:48 AM »
Hi Umpa!
I saw that! You are so kind thank you. I'm watching for them. The poblanos looked amazing!

Hi Doug,
This topic is so appropriate since October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
I wanted to share this video about soy and estrogen receptor breast cancer. Please know I'm just sharing another view and it is not meant to refute the study you shared. Dr. Fred Bisci is a highly respected nutritionist in New York that has treated over 50,000 individuals with various health issues. The first 3:15 of this video address soy and ER+ breast cancer. I respect his vast experience, personal scientific studies and research regarding health and wellness, including processed foods (which tofu is processed) "When it doubt, leave it out." What heals our bodies is what we omit from our diets; sugars, processed foods and other harmful substances. In any event, Dr. Bisci's video supports what my personal studies have shown regarding soy. It will be interesting to find out who funded Dr. Shu's study/grant when I email the University.  Also as the article states [i]"It's important to note that Chinese women tend to get their soy from natural sources, such as tofu, edamame or unsweetened soy milk, instead of the processed types of soy foods that many Americans eat, such as sweetened, flavored soy milk or soy-based protein bars."[/i] Since tofu is processed this statement is a bit contradictory. I want to add too that generally, Chinese woman have an overall lower BMI than American women which is also lessens the chances of breast cancer. All soy (processed or otherwise) contains the isoflavones genistein and daidzein which are the questionable culprits regarding ER+ breast cancer - personally - I have to adhere to the old adage, "When it doubt ... don't".  Again, this is a personal preference. Some individuals can ingest substances that would kill another person so I think it's important to consider that not every substance is right for everyone. Nonetheless and the single most important issue (which drew me to your research, book and WOE) is SUGAR. Get it out of the body, reduce body fat! So for many, many reasons beyond the obvious Doug, your program is 100% on point. Certainly, each person must find their own mix of healthy foods for their body. The no SUGAR way of eating is germane to everyone's health and longevity, and especially those who have or have had cancer. It's awesome!

I hope this link works
http://anydoubtleaveitout.com/?cat=557&paged=2

Here's another article by Gabe Mirkin, M.D. :
http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9288.html

One more :  :)
http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info/vn/soy_breast_cancer.php
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2010, 09:18:56 AM »
Thanks for the linksI'll check them out this week in between. This is a very important issue with lots of "opinions" which don't interest me. Like you I'm only interested in the facts from highly reputable non bios studies designed for one purpose....to help woman make the correct choices for their individual health issues. I'm glad too see you've jumped right in both feet.  ;)

Don't worry about the diet food company opinions, they are only interested in avoiding law suits.
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Re: Fiber
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 09:41:31 AM »
Caligirl this is a subject that i am glad that posted.I think as women we have to take control of our health.I think we need to find balance in all things especally food.I am a big advocate of fresh food.I do eat soy but not in large quanities.I eat the shiritaki noodles(or miriacle noodles) and a occasional soy shake after working out. I am a huge fan of Susun Weed and I drink 2 qts of herbal infusions daily.I hope more studies are done in the future because there really is no conclusive evidence.(I also think if men had to get papsmears , stirrups and cold metal tools wouldn't exist!) Please update this board with new info as you come across it,I think this is a important issue. :)